Karma run work in progress (Chapter 5 complete)

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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 3 complete, finally)

Post by MasonVank » Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:32 am

julius-ruler4 wrote:
Mon Mar 15, 2021 8:22 pm
Ok, I need a HUGE explanation for this.

No matter what I do, what I try, what angle I approach, the FUCKING TIMER seems to start even when my enemies are off screen for me. I'm losing my mind and even postponing the fight seems to give me 0 for kills, time and combo. I need an explanation RIGHT FUCKING NOW
What are you trying to do? Are you trying to shoot one of the guys first and then use their essence for an ET? Are the enemies visible to you when you approach them to shoot?

Does the fight before this one respawn in sigma? Because if they do you can just chain an ET, quickly jump to the first guy and ET him and then shoot the 2nd guy. If not, you just need to position Ryu so you can't see the guy on the other side of the wire and rely on Ryu's autoaim. However I'd say just shoot both of them quickly and end it, it's only 2,000 points.
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 3 complete, finally)

Post by julius-ruler4 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:13 am

I once was able to get a UT out of that fight but that was in a mock run. I cannot seem to repeat whatever I did then

Often Ryu would miss his arrows and relying on his auto aim is not really optional but necessary to get the desired score

I always kept them off-screen but I need to see how I did it and what to do to repeat it
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 3 complete, finally)

Post by julius-ruler4 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:02 pm

@MasonVanck The fight before the balcony fight actually respawns. If I am lucky, I might be able to chain a lunar UT to that fight and still make the time limit by killing the shield guy quickly. I'm trying a few new methods to get points from that fight without having to rely on too much luck.

BTW, today, when at work without anything to do, I made myself a pathing to do several encounters. In theory, if movement is perfect, I would get 690k from that chapter

I'll give it another go tonight and let you guys know how it went.
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 3 complete, finally)

Post by Alhazard » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:58 pm

if its the balcony fight, can you try practicing saving in front of lily door without looking at the enemies to start the timer, loading the save, then starting the fight with bow with Ryu's face facing the camera like my runs?

Also probably need to do a lot the fights as a gaunlet to meet the insane chapter time of 12min.
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 3 complete, finally)

Post by julius-ruler4 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:59 pm

I know, And I've worked out a schematic with every possible route and found that the most optimal route is by saving the clocktower fights till the very end of the run before going to pleasure street.

My calculations say that I need a maximum of 4 saves to get this done. The less I save the better.

If I were to meet the time limit and get the UT's and ET I desire, I might get 690k, which is 17k higher then jryusama

I also feel quite confident as I'm 35k ahead of kelll
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 3 complete, finally)

Post by MasonVank » Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:50 pm

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Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:13 am
I once was able to get a UT out of that fight but that was in a mock run. I cannot seem to repeat whatever I did then

Often Ryu would miss his arrows and relying on his auto aim is not really optional but necessary to get the desired score

I always kept them off-screen but I need to see how I did it and what to do to repeat it
I got a UT out of that fight too on my NGB normal karma run. What I did was I'd get to flashing red health beforehand, quickly shoot the guy across the wire, jump to the other guy, launch him and UT him on the ground so he dissolves quicker. You don't have the time to to do the full UT on him. I'm pretty sure the sigma time limit is the same as the black time limit.

That save statue near the lily door in Sigma makes me jealous. I freaking wish it was also in Black...
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 3 complete, finally)

Post by julius-ruler4 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:39 pm

I'll just be honest. This chapter is driving me insane.

First, the first gauntlet goes right up until the balcony fight. Ryu's autoaim sucks ass. I miss like 80% of my shots consistently.

Second, when killing a BSN, instead of giving me blue, it consistently gives me yellow essence without UT or ET.

Third, I frequently get the so called UT bug. That means even with a blue essence, it gives me an ET
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 3 complete, finally)

Post by julius-ruler4 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:25 pm

UPDATE: The first gauntlet went just as I desired, tho I do no longer have any arrows, I consider this a non issue because I just bought myself 2 extra minutes to do some shopping at Muramasa.

The next gauntlet will be tough, but I'm up for the challenge.

I intent to do the next few fights:

- Clock Tower Plaza (4 enemies - 3 UT's)
- Clock Tower Plaza (3 enemies - 2 UT's)
- Great Bridge Teleporter (3 enemies - 2 UT's + 1 ET)
- Great Bridge Stairway (2 enemies - 2 UT's)
- Great Bridge Square (3 enemies - 2 UT's + 1 ET)

This should be the next gauntlet and if everything goes according to plan, I could finish this chapter by the end of next week

The edited recordings are already on my PC in good health
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 3 complete, finally)

Post by julius-ruler4 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:22 pm

I'm a happy camper. Finally got that Big Second Gauntlet done on the very first try, and the AI was very cooperative. I just needed a bit of luck.

Now I know how to deal with that last Gauntlet as I refilled on smoke bombs and arrows. And for the first time I took the liberty of taking the Nunchaku.

So I currently scored on this chapter: 265,530

if I want to beat the highscore I need: 675k

So this means I have to score at least 100k from 4 fights

The Goal:
Clock tower entrance: 1 UT + 1 ET
Clock tower top: 2 UT's + 1 ET
Pleasure Street: 3 UT's
Biker fight: 5 or 6 UT's

If all goes right, this chapter is complete by the end of next week.

BigAl and JTB, if you 2 are up for it, I'll send the video
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 4 complete, OOHRAH)

Post by julius-ruler4 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 11:05 pm

Chapter 4 completed

Check OP for scores
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 4 complete, OOHRAH)

Post by julius-ruler4 » Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:32 pm

I deleted the Rachel save as I probably wasn't fast enough to save. This means, no matter what, I cannot get that first fight timed. The consequence will be that I'm going to redo that final gauntlet.

I intent to rerecord that gauntlet to even try and get a higher score then before. Not wanting to rely on luck, I don't wanna use Ninpo to kill that final biker.

However, the AI is very uncooperative
- Consistent Yellow essence from BSN after ninpo kill
- I press start, it doesn't open menu
- BSN that can see though my smoke bombs even while being used at the correct distance
- UT bug that takes place even with 2 blue essence orbs and one yellow

Murphy is playing against me too much and I feel burned out from it. All my attempts failed because of that damn AI.

I thought I was lucky yesterday. Turns out Murphy decided to say "Screw you and your luck. You're not getting it", and it pisses me off
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 4 complete, OOHRAH)

Post by JTB123 » Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:57 pm

This game will be truly savage on a karma run, somtimes you just have to know when it's better to come back later. I don't normally play for anything longer than half an hour depending on the fight, if the game doesn't give it you in that time odds are today just isn't that day.

I was playing the crab imp fight in chapter 15 just now, simple enough fight on the surface but after half an hour and at least 30 attempts I just knew I wasn't going to get it. UT's not registering, imps ducking under my UT, never getting blues, wonky hit boxes, bad spawns, Ryu's awful targeting and the list goes on and on.
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 4 complete, OOHRAH)

Post by julius-ruler4 » Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:03 pm

Chapter 4 redone and completed, Tho I scored 790 points lower, I still got that Highscore. And I got that fight for Rachel timed
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 4 complete, OOHRAH)

Post by julius-ruler4 » Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:44 pm

So, little update: I did several attempts at Rachel and so far things weren't working out for me.

However, I did manage to get a couple of fights done and amazingly I scored 269,240 so far. I still need to do the fiend challenge but I feel confident that I can get 300k out of it (need 46 UT's tho).

The ideal pattern would be that I kill 6 enemies with 5 UT's within 25 seconds. I am more then happy to accept a 2.5% loss maximum of 300k. Tho 44 UT's is the minimum if I want to beat that score of 767,620
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 5 complete)

Post by julius-ruler4 » Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:59 pm

Chapter 5 completed, check Op for scores
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 5 complete, well the mock attempt)

Post by julius-ruler4 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 8:33 pm

So, I seem to have been getting the worst of the worst AI. I don't know why, but these things consistely happened at every attempt
- Very last Imp decided to dive when I have like 7 seconds left and managed to get 45 UT's on 59 enemies
- when I am between 10 kills and 20 kills the AI decides to send at least 3 Imps at the same time to attack
- UT bug when I have 2 essence orbs out
- AI diving instantly when I release my UT

I am litteraly going insane, and my brother had to stop me from putting myself a bullet in the skull. It's gone at that level

I don't know why this happens to me. A friend of mine has been checking the system base code on my PS3 found something interesting. He compared it to his which are both at the latest software version
The AI on my console has been augmented a lot compared to his, and both our PS3's are updated till the latest update without any mods.

Sony, explain yourself...
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 5 complete, I mean the real run of it)

Post by julius-ruler4 » Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:21 pm

Chapter 5 REALLY completed, check OP for scores
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 5 complete)

Post by JTB123 » Sun Apr 18, 2021 3:31 pm

Awesome job man, really enjoying the run. At the risk of stating the obvious don't forget the crazy number of kills for chapter 6, if you're getting really frustrated with the run a break can just be the thing. A week away from it really lets you recharge and come back fresh.
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 5 complete)

Post by julius-ruler4 » Sun Apr 18, 2021 4:48 pm

Thanks man, I already planned out my route and know where to save and where not.

Huge gauntlets are the key like in chapter 4. Once chapter 6 is done I'll plan out chapter 7 fight by fight
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 5 complete)

Post by julius-ruler4 » Wed Apr 21, 2021 11:58 am

JTB, I have a few questions for you. What path did you follow? And how many times did you save? And when you farmed extra kills at the lily door, how many kills did you farm? And where did you farm even more kills and how many? Last but not least, how many gauntlets did you do and how many fights did you do in each gauntlet?

I would love to have an answer because depending on what you did in that chapter that is not shown in the video, I can anticipate where I can save time.

Kelll, for you I have also a few questions. Which fights did you do in chapter 6 that you should have done in chapter 4? And what was your score on those fights. Also, if possible, could you send me a screenshot of your kill count and chapter time for chapter 6, so I can anticipate even further? Also, if you did several gauntlets, which fights did you do in one gauntlet? And did you use your own two-rat-trick for the lily door fight, cuz I tried it several times and couldn't get it consistent enough to do it. though I did get it done successful a few times to get 3 UT's in that fight.

I would love to have an answer from both of you so I can advance in that brutal chapter

IMO, I think 69 kills on Normal is way too high. 50 to 55 should have been the maximum or increase the chapter time limit to 17 or 18 minutes. That is just my opinion
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 5 complete)

Post by JTB123 » Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:46 pm

Looking at the video again this would have been my pattern:

First two fights - Save
Bikes - Save
Lily key door & Ninjas - Save
Bikes & blue door - Save
Farm Kills - Save
Save statue ninjas - Save
Plaza door & both ninja fights before Hydra gauntlet - Save

Whenver you see a transition in my videos is where I went and saved, all the other stuff is in there as I don't cut out traversal to encounters unless I save inbetween them. The fight through the Lilly key door is where I farm kills and I would have done that after the fight through the blue door as you can drop down from the walkway and farm them very quickly.

The kills for the chapter, assuming you kill an extra 6 for essence chains would be 46 so you would need to farm 23 kills at that fight, so you'll need to do that fight 8 times back to back as saving inbetween would just waste time. I cannot understand how the kills for this chapter are 69, it's way higher than all the fights in the chapter in the fight even if you included the ones missing from chapter 5.

I do end 10 kills higher than what is needed though that means 3 repeats of that right weren't necessary.
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 5 complete)

Post by julius-ruler4 » Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:45 pm

Thanks, what I did was the next

First 2 fights - save
Bikers - save
Lily door (3 UT) - save
Farm kills + moat Road - save
Bikes (2 UT), Blue door (2 UT, 1 ET), Statue ninjas (UT + ET) - save
Plaza till hydracubus, I would have to do this in one big gauntlet

Farmed 18 extra kills cuz, 2 times 2 for essence at hans bar, the white annoying shooter soldier with the 2 rats at lily door. 2 additional ninjas before bikers at drawbridge, 2 ninjas at save statue in drawbridge Hill and 2 more before hydra gauntlet
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 5 complete)

Post by julius-ruler4 » Thu Apr 22, 2021 6:44 pm

JTB, I rewatched your video for Chapter 6 and I noticed you left the windmill shuriken behind till Chapter 10. But do you think I could have enough time to get the scarab on chapter 6, so by the time I reach chapter 10 I could have the Dabilahro so when I reach it, I could get some more UT's where possible
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 5 complete)

Post by JTB123 » Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:46 pm

I didn't think of that now you mention it due to the extra scarab you get in chapter 9. I'd say it's definitely worth it for the first few fights of chapter 10 if you can grab it early, it shouldn't take much time and as long movement is on point you should have the time to get it.
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Re: Karma run work in progress (Chapter 5 complete)

Post by julius-ruler4 » Tue May 04, 2021 7:33 am

JTB, there is one more question that I have for you.

When you completed the ninja fight at the Drawbridge Hill, what was your time after saving compared to the first save?
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