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VH karma run/MN karma run update thread

Post by MasonVank » Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:12 pm

Hey fellow Ninja Gaiden players,

I've decided that I'm going to eventually redo all of my karma runs which I don't have scores written down for. I'll make my own thread so I don't keep flooding the story mode score thread with my posts. When I'm done with my VH karma run, I will redo my old MN run, in which I plan to go all out on and get 25 million.

I have scores for normal and ninja dog, so I won't bother redoing those runs. My normal score is already quite high, to the point where the only untapped points left are going to be really hard to get. I just finished redoing hard, and beat my previous run by more than 200,000 points. Here are my scores for that run:

Chapter 1: 603840
Chapter 2: 755790 (1359630)
Chapter 3: 772750 (2132380)
Chapter 4: 662650 (2795030)
Chapter 5: 849200 (3644230)
Chapter 6: 1920190 (5564420)
Chapter 7: 1708940 (7273360)
Chapter 8: 698660 (7972020)
Chapter 9: 1101460 (9073480)
Chapter 10: 3049390 (12122870)
Chapter 11: 744260 (12867130)
Chapter 12: 2883180 (15750300)
Chapter 13: 1595810 (17346110)
Chapter 14: 1120010 (18466120)
Chapter 15: 2459150 (20919690)
Chapter 16: 509100 (21428790)

Final: 21428790

I have officially started redoing my old VH karma run, which I will update on here. I am at the end of chapter 4 right now and things are going really well. I'm already miles ahead of my old VH karma run, and I'm having a blast so far. I'm really enjoying the run (except for Murai and the chapter 4 gauntlet of course) and given my score so far, I'm progressing really quickly. I'm not going for anything crazy on this run, I just want to get some stuff on video, have some fun, and get some chapter scores written down.

Edit 2: I've just finished farming the DS clone in chapter 6. He was actually surprisingly cooperative. Chapter 6 is going pretty well so far. We'll see how this run plays out in the near future.

Edit 3: I just finished the archive challenge. It went quite well, though I lost some points on the kill bonus because I used the platforms rather than fought it on the ground floor. The monks make playing that challenge for score on the bottom floor really hard, especially combined with cat fiends. I'm using JTB's very hard tutorial run as a reference for my run. I'm just barely behind his score after the AC. I want to save the zombie fight and challenge for chapter 12, but after seeing how badly I bombed chapter 6's time limit, I'm starting to get a little conflicted about doing that. We'll see how chapter 6 take 2 goes.

This is what I've got so far:

Chapter 1: 631530
Chapter 2: 852070 (1483600)
Chapter 3: 884640 (2368240)
Chapter 4: 720480 (3088720)
Chapter 5: 911980 (4000700)
Chapter 6+: TBD
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Re: Karma run redos and other fun stuff

Post by kelll » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:23 am

you can save the chapter 7 fiend challenge (and the fight outside the room) for chapter 12, you have more than enough time in that chapter to do both. Make sure to farm kills though if you do and good luck, you should easily get 23 million. :thumb:
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Re: Karma run redos and other fun stuff

Post by MasonVank » Sun Jun 14, 2020 2:27 am

Thanks, Kell. I'll leave going for a crazy VH run to you.

I understand what your game is with leaving those two fights for chapter 12. Farming zombies with the level 1 Dabilahro and also the level 1 Lunar will get way more points with celerity. In the fiend challenge, the UF would tear through super quickly with getting all 50 UTs. I wonder if you'll still have time to do all the Commando Fiend fights in chapter 12 or if you'll have to save them all for chapter 13, since I like doing those fights in chapter 12.

I'm not looking forward to the Stadium Challenge though. I hate that fight on VH, the Ogres love coming up to you from off screen and hitting you. Doing it with the UF is even worse since you're one hit away from death at all times. On my old VH run, I made up kills in chapter 12 and did the fight with the DDB in chapter 15. That's not worthwhile, so I guess I have to learn to use the UF in that fight. Farming that Berserker in chapter 8 is already giving me nightmares....
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Re: Karma run redos and other fun stuff

Post by Bigalski » Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:35 am

Are you going to be able to make some videos? I always enjoy seeing different play styles. Just have fun though!!
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Re: Karma run redos and other fun stuff

Post by MasonVank » Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:22 am

I have many clips of the run on my xbox live. I'm only getting clips of the fun, exciting stuff that people actually want to see. I eventually want to compile the highlights of the run and post them on YT. Bloopers are fun, I might post some of them as well. I won't bother with getting ogre and zombie farming on video because nobody wants to watch that.

Also, Kell, what capture system are you using to record your gameplay? Are you using XB1 or are you using a capture box?
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Re: Karma run redos and other fun stuff

Post by kelll » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:30 am

I have chapter 12 completed mason, you have enough time :cool2: (I finished the chapter with 6-8 minutes to spare)

For recording i use a thumb drive.
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Re: Karma run redos and other fun stuff

Post by julius-ruler4 » Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:33 am

I am subbed to you kelll, and so far, your karma run vids are amazing. I can't wait to see what you did to beat that SoaB Fiend Ryu in the archive.

I think I can start my KR soon as my hunting exam has finished
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Re: VH karma run/MN karma run update thread

Post by MasonVank » Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:57 am

For some reason I haven't been able to post to NGRealm for a couple days, so we'll see if this will post now.

Update: I just finished chapter 11 and I'm now on the stadium challenge. God, that challenge is a real PITA on VH. Stupid ogres love to come on screen and hit you when you're fighting the berserkers. I don't want to save the challenge for chapter 15 because I feel I'd miss out on 23 million, so I guess I have to just grind this fight out with the UF until I get it. We'll see how long this will take me.

I found out that the reason I failed chapter 6's time limit twice was that I took way too much time in the AC. I used the platforms and was constantly swapping between the flails and the lunar. To fix that I just did it on the ground floor with the flails, and I saved over 10 minutes. I lost around 10/20k in UTs but it doesn't matter since the kill bonus points I got essentially let me break even score wise.

I decided to just do the zombie fight and challenge in chapter 7 since I'm not going for anything crazy in this run. I might mess around with saving those fights for later in my master ninja run because the time limits are much longer, but I didn't bother messing about with that on VH.

Here are my chapter scores as of now:

Chapter 1: 631530
Chapter 2: 852070 (1483600)
Chapter 3: 884640 (2368240)
Chapter 4: 720480 (3088720)
Chapter 5: 911980 (4000700)
Chapter 6: 2206230 (6206930)
Chapter 7: 1903600 (8110530)
Chapter 8: 759940 (8870470)
Chapter 9: 1141530 (10012000)
Chapter 10: 3305280 (13317280)
Chapter 11: 768170 (14085450)
Chapter 12+:TBD
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Re: VH karma run/MN karma run update thread

Post by julius-ruler4 » Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:06 pm

Not bad Mason, 23 million is also a very good score
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Re: VH karma run/MN karma run update thread

Post by MasonVank » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:37 am

RUN COMPLETED!!!!!!!!!!

I was about to say that I wasn't going to put a ton of effort into chapter 15 but I ended up getting the top score for chapter 15 somehow

I could not be happier with how the run went. I beat my old VH karma run by over 400,000 points. Here are my chapter scores:

Chapter 1: 631530
Chapter 2: 852070 (1483600)
Chapter 3: 884640 (2368240)
Chapter 4: 720480 (3088720)
Chapter 5: 911980 (4000700)
Chapter 6: 2206230 (6206930)
Chapter 7: 1903600 (8110530)
Chapter 8: 759940 (8870470)
Chapter 9: 1141530 (10012000)
Chapter 10: 3305280 (13317280)
Chapter 11: 768170 (14085450)
Chapter 12: 3161550 (17247000)
Chapter 13: 1678850 (18925850)
Chapter 14: 1120430 (20046280)
Chapter 15: 2580950 (22627230)
Chapter 16: 504780 (23132010)

FINAL: 23132010
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Re: VH karma run/MN karma run update thread

Post by MasonVank » Mon Jun 29, 2020 3:06 am

Alright, I've started redoing my old master ninja karma run. I'm halfway through chapter 4 right now. Chapter 1 was kind of mediocre, but chapters 2 and 3 went really well, I got into the top 3 for both of them. However, I lost around 7,000 points near the end of chapter 3 because the final gauntlet was getting really annoying and I didn't want to keep grinding it. The chapter 4 gauntlet took a really long time and was quite frustrating, but I didn't lose any major points out of it. So far, things are going incredibly well. As of the start of chapter 4 I'm already more than 40,000 points ahead of my old master ninja run, which puts me on pace for a really good score.

Here are my scores for this run:

Chapter 1: 663320
Chapter 2: 909160 (1572480)
Chapter 3: 913080 (2485560)
Chapter 4: 726080 (3211640)
Chapter 5+: TBD
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Re: VH karma run/MN karma run update thread

Post by MasonVank » Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:29 am

I just finished chapter 6 in the run. I'm very happy with how it went, I got almost 2.5 million out of the chapter. The archive challenge was fun. I didn't bother getting any fights on video because the chapter is mostly farming. I'm now almost 200,000 points ahead of my old MN run and I'm only just starting chapter 7. I think I'll be able to get into the low 25 million range at the pace I'm going now.

Chapter 5: 932110 (4143750)
Chapter 6: 2492410 (6636160)
Chapter 7+: TBD
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Re: VH karma run/MN karma run update thread

Post by MasonVank » Wed Jul 01, 2020 6:01 am

Alright, I made it about a third of the way through chapter 8. I'm pleased with how chapter 7 went, Alma was much less annoying on this run than she was on my VH karma run. On this run, she took me about 15 minutes. On my VH run, she took over 5 hours. I can get this run done pretty quickly because I'm not going for the world record, but I'm still really pleased with my progress as of now. I'm progressing much quicker than I thought I would when I started this run.

I'm now at the end of chapter 8. The two berserkers in the great bridge area were completely infuriating, I almost lost my sanity. How many times in a row they'd just back out of the sweet spot...

On my old MN run, I didn't even bother farming them at all, I just got a few UTs and killed them. On this run I actually farmed them, so that's at least 30-40,000 points ahead of my other run out of just the berserkers alone. I missed one UT at the end because the final berserker backed out on my last UT, but I was so angry and so unwilling to keep grinding it that I just killed him and ended it. I was only one UT down on that fight, which doesn't matter in the grand scheme of the entire run.

Chapter 1: 663320
Chapter 2: 909160 (1572480)
Chapter 3: 913080 (2485560)
Chapter 4: 726080 (3211640)
Chapter 5: 932110 (4143750)
Chapter 6: 2492410 (6636160)
Chapter 7: 2081390 (8717550)
Chapter 8: 831150 (9548700)
Chapter 9+: TBD
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Re: VH karma run/MN karma run update thread

Post by kelll » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:39 am

Nice scores Mason, whats your target score?

I had to redo that berserker fight in my very hard run cuase i forgot to hit record :banghead:
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Re: VH karma run/MN karma run update thread

Post by MasonVank » Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:52 am

For MN, I hope to get into the low 25 million range. As of the middle of chapter 9, I am almost 300,000 points ahead of my old MN run, so I feel that I have a really good shot at getting 25 million. Since there are so many more points in the later chapters, the gap between my old MN run and my new MN run is going to widen significantly. My previous master ninja karma run was my first complete playthrough of master ninja and of course was my first MN karma run, so I had no idea what I was doing and I left a ton of points behind. My new very hard karma run got me used to karma running the high difficulties again. Many fights in VH are the exact same or really similar to MN so my very hard karma run certainly helped with master ninja.

Wow, that sucks that you had to redo that fight. That berserker fight is one of the worst fights in a karma run above hard.
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Re: VH karma run/MN karma run update thread

Post by MasonVank » Sun Jul 05, 2020 12:28 am

Happy 4th of July if there are any Americans on the forums!

Anyways, it's been a while since I've given an update on my run so I'll go ahead and do that now.

I made it to chapter 12. I'm going to do all the commando fiend fights in this chapter just because it will make chapter 13 much easier. Also I prefer to just knock those fights out early so I don't have to worry about them later.

Chapter 10 went really well, I got almost 3.7 million points out of the chapter. Paz Zuu took me a couple hours to get a good run of. I jumped almost 100,000 points ahead of my old MN run out of chapter 10 alone.

Evil Ryu went really well, but it took a very long time to get a good run of him. In one of my runs of him, I got a really good run of UTs and I ran the timer all the way down, my last UT was good to go on around 15 seconds left, I released it, and he blocked it and I failed the time limit. Fortunately, in the run I kept, I got 3 extra UTs out of him compared to that run.

Here are my chapter scores:

Chapter 1: 663320
Chapter 2: 909160 (1572480)
Chapter 3: 913080 (2485560)
Chapter 4: 726080 (3211640)
Chapter 5: 932110 (4143750)
Chapter 6: 2492410 (6636160)
Chapter 7: 2081390 (8717550)
Chapter 8: 831150 (9548700)
Chapter 9: 1209380 (10758080)
Chapter 10: 3694140 (14452220)
Chapter 11: Around 785000, I'll find my actual chapter 11 score next time I continue the run
Chapter 12+: TBD
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Re: VH karma run/MN karma run update thread

Post by MasonVank » Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:11 am

Finished chapter 12. Chapter 12 went incredibly well, I got the high score for it by more than 30,000 points. I did do all town fights except two in this chapter, but still. High score! However, I did have to redo the ice caverns and most of the lava caverns because of bad essence management. Fortunately, I scored 20-30,000 points higher in my second run of the caverns than my first run.

I had a bit of a scare after the flame worm. When I held up the eye of flame on that door to get in front of the Muramasa statue, it wouldn't stop loading at all. I reset and fought the flame worm again and the exact same thing happened. I restarted my xbox, refought the flame worm for a third time and the same thing happened. Then, I saved in a different slot just incase it was some issue with that save, refought the worm, and the same thing happened. I thought that was where my run was going to die. I was doing so well but my run ended because of a glitch that makes the door load infinitely. I refought the worm for a 5th time, waited for a couple seconds before going through the door, and fortunately the infinite loading glitch didn't happen and I went through the door fine. I was quite scared for a little bit, but my run continued normally after that.

The stadium challenge was really frustrating. I died a couple times really late into the challenge and almost lost the drive to finish my run. Right now, I am on pace for 25 million which I will be incredibly happy with. That would be a good wrap for my career of doing full blown story mode karma runs. After I finish this run, I think I'll start diving into mission mode. Getting stuff on video on mission mode is a lot easier than getting stuff on video in story mode, so I'll be able to make mission mode videos so much easier than I can make story mode videos.

Edit: I made it through the GBC. I lost my final talisman at around 100 enemies killed, but I made it through. Awakened Alma went incredibly well, I got almost 220,000 points out of her, and she only took me about 10 minutes to get. Evil Ryu was okay, but I could have gotten a few more UTs out of him if I grinded him until every single IS gave me a UT, but let's be honest, who wants to do that?

Yeah, I'm almost done with this. The last two pill bug fights of chapter 13 are pretty easy, Evil Ryu in chapter 14 is fine with jumping out of his string and charging loads of ETs, chapter 14 is pretty quick after that, and is pretty much identical to chapter 14 on VH. Same with chapter 15, but time limits are much longer. I think this will be my last update until I finish the run. I will still continue to write down chapter scores as I finish the final couple of chapters.

Chapter 1: 663320
Chapter 2: 909160 (1572480)
Chapter 3: 913080 (2485560)
Chapter 4: 726080 (3211640)
Chapter 5: 932110 (4143750)
Chapter 6: 2492410 (6636160)
Chapter 7: 2081390 (8717550)
Chapter 8: 831150 (9548700)
Chapter 9: 1209380 (10758080)
Chapter 10: 3694140 (14452220)
Chapter 11: 785550 (15237770)
Chapter 12: 3466930 (18704700)
Chapter 13: 1849670 (20554370)
Chapter 14: 1162110 (21716480)
Chapter 15:
Chapter 16:

Final:
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Re: VH karma run/MN karma run update thread

Post by MasonVank » Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:38 am

I'll post all my chapter scores for each of my new runs that I have finished. I don't really want to do any more story mode karma runs for the time being. I do want to dive into mission mode, though.

Ninja Dog:
Chapter 1: 363520
Chapter 2: 708910 (1072430)
Chapter 3: 771400 (1843830) #2
Chapter 4: 615240 (2459070)
Chapter 5: 912780 (3371850)
Chapter 6: 1636940 (5008790)
Chapter 7: 1407050 (6415840)
Chapter 8: 717900 (7133830)
Chapter 9: 1214890 (8348720)
Chapter 10: 2164000 (10512720) #2
Chapter 11: 727790 (11240510)
Chapter 12: 2039050 (13279560) #2
Chapter 13: 1172960 (14452520)
Chapter 14: 1050960 (15503480) #2
Chapter 15: 2489030 (17992510) #2
Chapter 16: 509590 (18502100) #1

Final: 18502100 #2

Hard:
Chapter 1: 603840 #3
Chapter 2: 755790 (1359630) #3
Chapter 3: 772750 (2132380) #2
Chapter 4: 662650 (2795030)
Chapter 5: 849200 (3644230)
Chapter 6: 1920190 (5564420)
Chapter 7: 1708940 (7273360)
Chapter 8: 698660 (7972020)
Chapter 9: 1101460 (9073480) #3
Chapter 10: 3049390 (12122870)
Chapter 11: 744260 (12867130) #2
Chapter 12: 2883180 (15750300)
Chapter 13: 1595810 (17346110)
Chapter 14: 1120010 (18466120)
Chapter 15: 2459150 (20919690) #3
Chapter 16: 509100 (21428790) #3

Final: 21428790 #4

Very Hard:
Chapter 1: 631530 #3
Chapter 2: 852070 (1483600) #3
Chapter 3: 884640 (2368240) #1
Chapter 4: 720480 (3088720) #1
Chapter 5: 911980 (4000700)
Chapter 6: 2206230 (6206930) #3
Chapter 7: 1903600 (8110530)
Chapter 8: 759940 (8870470) #3
Chapter 9: 1141530 (10012000) #3
Chapter 10: 3305280 (13317280)
Chapter 11: 768170 (14085450) #2
Chapter 12: 3161550 (17247000) #2
Chapter 13: 1678850 (18925850)
Chapter 14: 1120430 (20046280) #2
Chapter 15: 2580950 (22627230) #1
Chapter 16: 507060 (23134290) #3

FINAL: 23134290 #2

Master Ninja:
Chapter 1: 663320
Chapter 2: 909160 (1572480) #3
Chapter 3: 913080 (2485560) #2
Chapter 4: 726080 (3211640) #3
Chapter 5: 932110 (4143750)
Chapter 6: 2492410 (6636160)
Chapter 7: 2081390 (8717550)
Chapter 8: 831150 (9548700)
Chapter 9: 1209380 (10758080)
Chapter 10: 3694140 (14452220)
Chapter 11: 785550 (15237770)
Chapter 12: 3466930 (18704700) #1
Chapter 13: 1849670 (20554370)
Chapter 14: 1162110 (21716480)
Chapter 15: 2847050 (24563530)
Chapter 16: 507490 (25071020)

Final: 25071020 #5
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Re: VH karma run/MN karma run update thread

Post by TheGodfatherDictator » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:25 pm

Solid work with those runs dude :thumb:
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Re: VH karma run/MN karma run update thread

Post by MasonVank » Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:37 pm

Little update:

I stand by my statement that I'm never doing another full story mode karma run again. Even though my master ninja run "only" ended on 53 hours, it was still quite the ordeal. However, I still had a save at the start of chapter 15 left over, and in my run I kind of rushed through chapter 15 because I just wanted to finish the run ASAP. I've decided that I'm going to redo chapter 15 and go for 25.1 million, which is completely feasible. If I go insane and try to completely max out this chapter, I can get 25.2 million. We'll see how this goes. When I finish I will post my new final MN score.
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Re: VH karma run/MN karma run update thread

Post by julius-ruler4 » Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:53 pm

You should do it. Getting 25 million is already a huge achievement. But the more points the merrier your score
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Re: VH karma run/MN karma run update thread

Post by JTB123 » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:44 pm

It's great to see someone pick up Karma running this late into the game. Mission Mode is its own bundle of nightmares but with these scores I'm sure you'll do awesome runs there too.

Any plans to make videos for Mission Mode? If you do end up setting some new records it'd be awesome to have them on video.
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Re: VH karma run/MN karma run update thread

Post by MasonVank » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:29 pm

Yes, I plan on making mission mode videos. Getting mission mode stuff on video is much easier than getting a full story mode run on video. Once I finish redoing chapter 15 of my MN run, I will start diving into mission mode. I don't have a proper capture system yet so I have to make do with the Xbox one's capture system. 10 minutes of capture time should be more than enough to get most missions on video.

I'm pretty sure you understand how much of a nightmare it is to get a full story mode karma run on video, which is why I didn't do it. I'm pleased with how my mission to push all my story mode scores went nonetheless.

Can someone please update the story mode scores? All my scores are on this thread and I labelled chapter scores which made the top three.
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Re: VH karma run/MN karma run update thread

Post by MasonVank » Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:01 am

Got chapter 15 and 16 done now. Not quite 25.1 million but I'll take it. I secured the #5 spot for MN. Here are my new scores for those chapters:

Chapter 15: 2847050 (24563530)
Chapter 16: 507490 (25071020)

Final: 25071020
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Re: VH karma run/MN karma run update thread

Post by MasonVank » Sun Jul 19, 2020 1:30 am

I have my Awakened Alma fight on video and it is the only clip of my MN run I have on my YT channel right now, so I'll share the video here. Awakened Alma went extremely well, I got nearly 220,000 points out of her.

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